Psammophis ???

Psammophis ???

Postby MrG » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:04 pm

What type of whip snake you think this is ?
Found it on a call-out at Hartbeeshoek this afternoon.

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Postby Mongoose » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:29 pm

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Postby Bushviper » Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:40 pm

Looks like a pretty skinny and wierd coloured Short snouted grass snake to me.
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Postby Rob » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:28 am

Top pic is a bit misleading, bottom pics says P. brevirostrus to me too although colour isnt typical of what we get down here.

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Postby Bushviper » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:37 pm

Rob I agree. The top photo looks like beige snake and the bottom one looks like some gun metal colour.

The slight banded markings on the head is what tipped the scales for me. Combined with the white speckling down the vertebrae it would indicate P. brevirostris to me.
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Postby MrG » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:33 pm

Same snake but different cameras. The first one's battery went dead and i used the back-up. I think you are correct that it is a P. brevirostris.
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Re: Psammophis ???

Postby RedGhecko » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:18 am

Yes I know this topic is 7 years old and I feel real stupid posting this but this is an interesting one. . . Its in fact a young Olive Grass snake (P. mossambicus). They are very often confused with P. brevirostris especially because of the pattern down the vertebrae. The reason I'm posting this is not to be a "know it all" but rather so that other members can learn from this.

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Re: Psammophis ???

Postby Bushviper » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:54 pm

Yeah P mossambicus do not occur in this area. No chance of that being a Olive grass snake as this is a few hundred kilometers outside its range.
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Re: Psammophis ???

Postby RedGhecko » Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:06 pm

If I'm correct this snake was found at hartbeeshoek which is well within this snakes range, in-fact P. mossambicus is distributed throughout the whole northern half of Gauteng.
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Re: Psammophis ???

Postby Bushviper » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:44 pm

Hartbeeshoek is almost in North West just north of Krugersdorp. This species does not occur anywhere near there.

When in doubt consult the most recent scientific maps.

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Re: Psammophis ???

Postby RedGhecko » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:56 pm

When last was that map updated? Anyway heres a distribution map from Graham Alexanders book, A Guide to the Reptiles of Southern Africa. Now Hartbeeshoek is well within this range.

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Re: Psammophis ???

Postby RedGhecko » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:01 pm

Sorry, that image is very small but you should be able to see that most of Gauteng including North West is included in this species' distribution.
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Re: Psammophis ???

Postby Bushviper » Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:43 am

Yeah I think the SARCA map is updated on a continuous basis because that is what its function is. The map is the same as the one requested on [ Page served: January 17, 2014, 10:40 +0200] © Animal Demography Unit 2014 Department of Biological Sciences - University of Cape Town.
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Re: Psammophis ???

Postby RedGhecko » Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:45 am

I recently checked one of my older Field Guides and the distribution map in there was similar to SARCA's one. The newer books though clearly show that extra strip of distribution through Gauteng. I'm still highly convinced that that is indeed a young Olive. The snake above is too plain for P. brevirostris
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Re: Psammophis ???

Postby Bushviper » Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:55 am

Without DNA we will never know. It could just be a plain looking brevirostris or indeed a range extension.
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