Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby kwagga » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:19 am

Hey Guys,

I'm posting question on behalf of a friend.

Area: Pretoria North

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Their opinion is that it's a Mozambique Cobra.

I say it's a Forest/Bush Cobra, in one of it's phases. Rinkhals in my second guess, but the cream stomach is leaning me towards cobra.
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby chris w » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:43 am

Do you not have a pic with it flipped over
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby kwagga » Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:57 am

Here you go:

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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby shadowfoot » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:04 pm

I would also go with Mozambique spitting cobra, as the Forest Cobra isnt present in the Pretoria area. I doubt its a Rinkhals.
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby Warren Klein » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:08 pm

That's a juvenile Snouted cobra N. annulifera for sure. A shame it was killed.
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby kwagga » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:12 pm

Interesting that you should mention that the Forest/Bush Cobra isn't present in Pretoria. In the 24 years living on a farm on the outskirts of Pretoria, I've seen, killed and let go, many BUSH Cobra's... confirmed, that is - not my uneducated guess.
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby kwagga » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:22 pm

Herphabitat wrote:That's a juvenile Snouted cobra N. annulifera for sure. A shame it was killed.


Herpahabitat, YOU. ARE. AWESOME. Spot on, evertime. I owe you a beer... Next time I go up to Nylstroom, I'm looking you up!

Interesting though, the snouted and bush cobra look very similar? - It's only upon closer inspection as to the mouth/snout.
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby Whitelipp » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:19 pm

Snouted cobra and Forest cobra is two way different snakes.
That is most definitely a snouty. The black bands on the throat will go lighter with age.
Forest cobras are seen more in coastal regions. I don't think you'll find them in the Gauteng Pta region.
Kwagga the literature you have there is very old. The snouted cobra has since been reclassified as a species on its own it is now known as Naja anullifera and not Naja haje
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby Hoss » Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:40 pm

I read on the Newshost site that your friend has seen a number of these of late. If true you might want to direct him to this site so that he can get someone out there to see if the snakes on his property can be removed without being killed. If not for the snakes sake at least for his dogs, they are lucky to have not been bitten when killing this one. Plus his being given some really silly advice by some of the NH guys so it will be best to have a pro handle it.
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby kwagga » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:29 pm

Whitelipp, I owe you an apology, I checked my memory and old photos, it would indeed seem that all the snakes that we thought were bush cobras, were indeed snouted cobras... an honest mistake, due to old literature like you said. So guess what I'm buying next time I'm going to town!
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby kwagga » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:29 pm

Hoss wrote:I read on the Newshost site that your friend has seen a number of these of late. If true you might want to direct him to this site so that he can get someone out there to see if the snakes on his property can be removed without being killed. If not for the snakes sake at least for his dogs, they are lucky to have not been bitten when killing this one. Plus his being given some really silly advice by some of the NH guys so it will be best to have a pro handle it.



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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby shadowfoot » Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:39 pm

@Whitelipp, thanks for clearing that up. I couldnt understand how two of my snake books could be wrong on the location.
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby Whitelipp » Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:00 pm

No problem fellas!
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby sega » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:30 pm

Looks like a Snouted Cobra to me.
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Re: Another Snake ID please: Rinkhals or Bush/Forest Cobra

Postby kwagga » Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:23 pm

Here is another snouted cobra I killed 10 minutes ago.

Sorry guys, I do try to let them go if they are not in the immediate vicinity of a house or our pets.

This specific casualty, is going to our local vet (in Bronkhorstspruit) to be preserved for reference purposes.

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