Ball x Retic

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Ball x Retic

Postby rolandslf » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:30 pm

First off, this photo does not belong to me.
I am using it to show that the difference in size very often does not come into play when breeding snakes.
In this instance the male had to have been the Ball.

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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby fredsmith » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:13 pm

Wow, stunning looking animal.
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby Kev » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:35 pm

Wow! Nice looking snake.

I have always wondered if you cross morphs what the outcome would be.
In particular would an albino retic and an albino ball give you a full albino cross?
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby rolandslf » Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:52 pm

Not in the first (f1) generation of babies. This is simply because the Albino (Amel) Gene in the two species is not compatible.
In the second (f2) generation, which is when either siblings are bred to each other, or, offspring is bred back to parents, then Albino (Amel) babies
can possibly be hatched because of the genes being carried by both parties. Of course the chances for Albino (Amel) offspring is even more possible when we get to the third (f3) generation.
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby Kev » Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:19 pm

All very interesting.
Is there anyone playing with hybrids in SA, well with regards to pythons?
I'v seen a burmise/african rock but thats about it.
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby rolandslf » Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:01 pm

Most Hybrid enthusiasts here are just playing around with Colubrid Hybrids at the moment.
It is a field which is not as developed here as it is in other parts of the world.
I think the progression into Boas and Pythons is still at least two years away.
Someone may still pull a surprise on us however.
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby Kev » Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:05 pm

I hope so.
It would be nice to see some produced localy.
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby Reptiles Unlimited » Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:01 pm

Kev wrote:All very interesting.
Is there anyone playing with hybrids in SA, well with regards to pythons?
I'v seen a burmise/african rock but thats about it.


It is illegal to hybridize an Afrock with any other python according to TOPS legislation.
My suggestion is look at exotics if you want to do anything like that.
Lets keep our Afrocks pure.
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby Kev » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:48 pm

O I didn’t know that, besides I would not even consider it.
I don’t have the space for the big pythons or the want to do so. I still however find it a fascinating subject.
The ones I saw were not intentionally put together in order to breed.
But I suppose if you house the two together then you should expect things to happen.
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby Westley Price » Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:28 pm

Almost looks like there is soe Carpet in there.

Not the prettiest hybrid, but adding morphs could change that.

Thanx for sharing Roland.
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby snake kid » Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:00 pm

I have also seen these African rocks crossed with Burmese pythons, as far as I know there are only 9 recorded at the moment bred in 2002 or 2004 (not quite sure though). by a guy near Plett and Berg Bay.
3.1. BCI
1.0. Burmese python
1.0. Taiwanese ratsnake
2.0. Cornsnake 1 normal 1 Butter
1.2. Brown house snake
1.1. Olive house snake
1.0. Mole snake
1.1. Rhombic egg eater
1.0. Coral snake
1.1. Red lipped herald
0.1. Cape cobra
1.1. Night adder
1.1. Puff adder
1.0. boomslang
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby rolandslf » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:19 am

Snake Kid - The Rock x Burm has been done quite a bit overseas and there are more than 9 in existence.
A major controversy even arose when it came to naming the offspring of this cross, because names like Cateater and Dogeater were suggested.
I can't remember what name was finally settled on though.
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby TonyK » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:26 am

Some Rock X Burm were also produced in Cape Town by one of the local zoos in the mid 90's so some of those snakes must still be around.
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby snake kid » Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:34 am

Okay thanks for the update
3.1. BCI
1.0. Burmese python
1.0. Taiwanese ratsnake
2.0. Cornsnake 1 normal 1 Butter
1.2. Brown house snake
1.1. Olive house snake
1.0. Mole snake
1.1. Rhombic egg eater
1.0. Coral snake
1.1. Red lipped herald
0.1. Cape cobra
1.1. Night adder
1.1. Puff adder
1.0. boomslang
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Re: Ball x Retic

Postby glencoco » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:27 am

Wow, I wonder if you could get an Albino or Piebald form of this...
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