lizard inbreeding

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lizard inbreeding

Postby kenan ganesan » Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:57 pm

I was wondering if anyone knows about any possible lizard crosses
i see many snake crosses but no lizard crosses on this forum
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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby it_bit_me » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:23 pm

You should have a look at beardie morphs. They have come a very long way.
If I'm gonna be an old, lonely man, I'm gonna need a thing, you know, a hook, like that guy on the subway who eats his own face. So I figure I'll be Crazy Man with a Snake, y'know. Crazy Snake Man. And I'll get more snakes, call them my babies, kids won't walk past my place, they will run. "Run away from Crazy Snake Man, " they'll shout!”
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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby kenan ganesan » Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:57 am

I know. But im talking about crosses
eg.veiled chameleon X bearded dragon
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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby snake kid » Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:15 am

Hahahaha I don't think that is genetically possible, but if it where just think of how the baby's would look and what it could do.
3.1. BCI
1.0. Burmese python
1.0. Taiwanese ratsnake
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1.0. Mole snake
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1.0. Coral snake
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1.1. Puff adder
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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby Westley Price » Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:17 am

Kenan, very few people really attempt lizard hybrids (in breeding is not really the correct word).

Chameleons and Bearded Dragons will never hybridize. The are too diffirent. The animals you intend to hybridize need to at least be of the same family (one genus of chameleon to another one type of monitor to another).

I also think there will be no market for lizard hybrids so producing them won't be of much use.

If you're looking for something unique and "crazy looking" you best bet would be some of the higher-end Leopard gecko morphs.

From: http://www.sareptiles.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=24348

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And that's only the tip of the iceberg. There are some awesome morphs out there. Check out our Leopard Geckos section for more awesome morphs.
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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby uncutdiamonds » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:40 am

westley wrote:Kenan, very few people really attempt lizard hybrids (in breeding is not really the correct word).
I think he means inter-breeding inbreeding would be taking animals from the same parents.

westley wrote:Chameleons and Bearded Dragons will never hybridize. The are too diffirent. The animals you intend to hybridize need to at least be of the same family (one genus of chameleon to another one type of monitor to another).
I see that animals from the same genus, frequently interbreed. Not sure of same-family-different-genus examples.

westley wrote:I also think there will be no market for lizard hybrids so producing them won't be of much use.
Still people may do it out of curiosity.

westley wrote:If you're looking for something unique and "crazy looking" you best bet would be some of the higher-end Leopard gecko morphs.
...And that's only the tip of the iceberg. There are some awesome morphs out there. Check out our Leopard Geckos section for more awesome morphs.

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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby Westley Price » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:49 am

Same family, different genera (just a few off the top of my head):

Pantherophis x Lampropeltis
Morelia x Python
Orthriophis x Pantherophis
Aspidites x Python
Eunectes x Epicrates
Pituophis x Panterophis
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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby Wolf777 » Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:51 am

Not to spark a debate uncutdiamonds but most morphs do occur naturally or at least have their origin in nature, just like albino people. I also like normals more (even though I keep morphs).
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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby kenan ganesan » Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:34 pm

Wesley please use common names
im only 13
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Re: lizard inbreeding

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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby uncutdiamonds » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:27 am

westley wrote:Same family, different genera (just a few off the top of my head):

Pantherophis x Lampropeltis
Morelia x Python
Orthriophis x Pantherophis
Aspidites x Python
Eunectes x Epicrates
Pituophis x Panterophis

Do the hybrids have fertile off-spring?
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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby Westley Price » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:50 am

Sure do.

Actually, I've not heard of any infertile snake hybrids.

Maybe someone else can shed some light on this?
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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby uncutdiamonds » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:00 am

westley wrote:...Actually, I've not heard of any infertile snake hybrids.
Maybe someone else can shed some light on this?

The hybrids on species level and above of mammals usually are infertile. Think of donkey x horse or lion x tiger. I say usually, because there were exceptional cases were the hybrids were fertile and produced off-spring. Some crow species can interbred, but with less healthy offspring.

It would indeed be interesting to know what has been observed with lizards and snakes.
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Re: lizard inbreeding

Postby Westley Price » Thu Feb 16, 2012 8:04 am

Yeah, I'm also interested to find out if there are infertile snake hybrids.

Even the Woma x Ball Python hybrids are fertile, and to me, that is as far genetically apart as you can go within a family.
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