Eggs hatching Urgent [Jungle carpet pythons]

Eggs hatching Urgent [Jungle carpet pythons]

Postby Mat Van G » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:10 pm

Hi everyone,

My jungle eggs started hatching last nyt at 3am there are about 7 lill heads poking out. My female is still wrapped around them can i remove the female as im scared she will crush some of the babies? Urgent

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Postby Serpy » Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:32 pm

You can leave them with her or take her away, but she won't crush the babies, this happens in nature u know.
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Postby Mat Van G » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:13 pm

Yes but in the wild not all survive... Some dogey crushed by the mothers weight. Look for the bold text.

Here is Bob Clarks articel:

March 2006 - Python Egg Incubation
Article by Bob Clark
Everything has gone as planned. You’ve bought a pair of baby pythons from a breeder and raised them for a couple of years. You’ve watched them grow, cared for them, cleaned them and touched things with your bare hands the likes of which your mother would not approve. You’ve fed, cooled, cycled and worried about them, and now you find your female coiled around a beautiful, white clutch of fertile eggs. You planned for this, and you are ready for the challenge ahead, right?
Well, maybe not if a lot of my springtime phone calls are any indication. But fear not, there is no need for nail biting, sleepless nights or teeth gnashing. Follow some simple guidelines, and your eggs will hatch.

What Eggs Need
Eggs have certain requirements, and once they are met, a good, viable egg will hatch. There are many ways to get from point A to point B, and the egg doesn’t care how as long as it gets what it needs.
Egg requirements fall mostly into two categories: temperature and humidity. And for most species of python eggs, the requirements are identical: a temperature of 90 degrees Fahrenheit combined with high humidity.
Nearly every python egg has been hatched by the female that laid it. Female pythons are good mothers and have been programmed by millions of years of evolution to do one thing: make baby pythons! Female pythons of different species have varying control over both temperature and humidity.
All pythons coil tightly around their eggs throughout incubation. Strangely, even though pythons are cold-blooded animals, female pythons of several species have the ability to raise their body temperatures through physiological means and maintain it throughout the incubation period.
Burmese pythons contract their muscles in a rhythmic shivering or twitching to generate heat. Reticulated pythons, African rock pythons and others accomplish the same increase in body temperature without these visible contractions. In both cases the snake’s body and the eggs themselves are maintained in a very narrow range of temperatures despite changes in the ambient temperature.
Other species, such as spotted pythons, ball pythons and carpet pythons, can influence incubation temperatures through behavioral means. Incubating females of these species bask until they raise their body temperature and then return to the eggs to transfer the heat to them.

Preparing for Egg Deposition
Wild females select nesting sites based on several factors, including security, temperature fluctuation and moisture level. After the eggs are laid the female covers them completely with her body.
Incubating female pythons are also able to influence moisture in the environment immediately around the eggs by behavioral means. The respiration of the eggs themselves generates some moisture. This moisture can be conserved if a female coils tightly around her eggs, or it can be allowed to escape if she opens her coils.
Incubating female pythons are constantly monitoring temperature and moisture levels of their eggs and making adjustments throughout the incubation period.
If the gravid female python is to be allowed to incubate her own eggs, then some preparations need to be made in advance on the part of the keeper.

Nestboxes
I like to provide a nestbox a few weeks before the eggs are due. It should be large enough to contain the coiled snake, but small enough that when the female is incubating her body can touch the sides.
For small species (carpets, ringed pythons, Macklot’s pythons and others of similar size) I provide a plastic Rubbermaid-type box with a hole in the side or top to allow the snake access.
For larger species (Burmese, reticulated and African rock pythons) I construct a wooden box about 24 inches square, with 6-inch-tall sides and that is open on top.
The floor of either type of nestbox should be covered with about 3 inches of slightly damp sphagnum moss. The moss should be damp enough so that it is not dusty, but only damp, not wet.
Most pythons go through a shed cycle about 30 days before laying time. I usually provide the nestbox after this prelay shed.
Most female pythons spend the majority of their time in the nestbox the month before laying. During this time they arrange the substrate to their liking. I’ve observed Burmese pythons preparing a nest area by pressing a bottom coil down on the substrate and rolling it to the outside, which creates a bowl-shaped depression.
In the wooden nestboxes this movement eventually pushes all the moss from the bottom of the box and into the corners and sides. In the wild, I’m sure females are able to make deeper depressions with this process. That said, I’ve had females lay eggs on a flat newspaper-covered surface and hatch them with good results.

Egg Laying
The laying process itself takes several hours. Females of all species arrange themselves in loose coils with their tails in the center. Eggs are deposited in an ever-growing pyramid-shaped pile within these coils. After laying has been completed the female covers her eggs completely with her body.
Sometimes in smaller species the eggs are so completely covered that it is possible to lift the female and her eggs from the nestbox and not be able to see the eggs — her body covers them top and bottom, and at no point do the eggs even contact the substrate!

Maternal Incubation
Should the eggs be incubated artificially or maternally? Most keepers incubate eggs in an incubator, but only, I think, because they are unfamiliar with the female snake’s capability for incubation.
If the eggs are to be left with the female, the temperature in the cage should be maintained in the low to mid-80s, with around 80-percent relative humidity.
Those unfamiliar with maternal incubation are often reluctant to completely turn over the responsibility for the eggs to the female. There is a temptation to turn the entire cage into a big incubator by raising the temperature and humidity above the proper levels in order to "cover their bets."
The female, however, only has the ability to raise the temperature of the eggs. She can’t lower it. If the ambient temperature is already set at 90 degrees, then she no longer has any control over temperature. The female can either conserve or release the moisture generated by egg incubation. Likewise, if the ambient humidity is already at 100 percent, then the female python has no influence over that either.
If a female snake is to incubate her own eggs, give her an environment in which she has some control. Remember that female pythons are perfectly suited to incubate their own eggs!
For species that do not generate their own heat during incubation (e.g., spotteds, balls and carpets) I provide basking areas. In most cases the heat source for the enclosure will be warmer than the average cage temperature, and this can serve as a place for the female to warm herself.
As ambient temperatures approach ideal incubation temperatures, females leave their eggs less often to bask and in some cases won’t leave them at all. Females can be very shy when basking and often return immediately to their eggs if they sense any activity near their enclosures.
In the last few days of incubation females loosen their coils and expose the eggs. As this happens, the temperature of the eggs drops to almost the ambient temperature. It’s important to monitor the humidity in the cage during this time.
The female remains loosely coiled around her clutch as the baby snakes begin to poke their heads through the slits they’ve cut in their eggs. In the wild, the newly hatched snakes would disperse quickly from the nest. In a captive situation this is not possible, of course. I have lost some babies at this point, as they can be accidentally crushed by the female. It’s a good idea to remove the hatchling snakes as they appear, if possible.Remember, wild snakes do not incubate their eggs in a controlled environment. It’s warmer during the day than it is at night. Sunny days are warmer than cloudy ones. Sometimes it rains, sometimes it rains at night. The extra bedroom where you keep your snakes is stable by comparison. Monitor the temperature and the humidity, try not to interfere too much, and your female will be successful.

Artificial Incubation
In order to incubate eggs artificially you’ll need an incubator that meets the requirements of the eggs. Most reptile eggs, including python eggs, can’t be hatched successfully in commercially available incubators designed for poultry.
The requirements of an incubating python egg are simple, but the egg won’t hatch if these requirements are not met. The incubator needs to provide an environment in which both temperature and humidity can be controlled at optimal levels.

Incubators
The size of the incubator should be determined by the size and number of eggs it is intended to hatch. It can be not much bigger than a shoebox for one clutch of small python eggs, or nearly as large as a room for many eggs of larger species.


Hobbyists, for the most part, require an incubator that’s able to hatch a clutch or two of eggs per season. Whether homemade or purchased, incubators should be made of material with some insulation value. Access should be through an opening on the side rather than the top. Because heat rises, incubators with access from the top lose heat quicker when opened. Incubators also should be wider rather than taller. Again, heat rises, so taller incubators result in greater temperature differentials from top to bottom.
The incubator temperature is achieved and maintained by the interaction of the heat source and the thermostat. Heat can be provided by any of a number of means, including heat tape, a heat pad, light bulbs, etc. Controlling the temperature is critical, and it shouldn’t vary more than a degree or so during incubation. Occasional fluctuations in temperature caused by opening the incubator are acceptable and do not seem to have a measurable effect on hatch rates.
Species that do not generate heat during incubation can better tolerate a greater temperature range and periodic fluctuations during the course of incubation. Eggs from heat-generating species are much less tolerant and require exact and constant incubation temperatures for success.
The heating capacity of the heat source should not greatly exceed what is necessary to reach the desired incubation temperature. In the event of a thermostat failure, heaters with excess capacity will quickly overheat and kill any developing embryos. Eggs may be able to tolerate short periods of excessive temperature. A less powerful heater might save a clutch of eggs should a thermostat fail.

Thermostats
Most thermostats are of the conventional "on/off" type, much like the thermostat in your house. When the temperature drops to a predetermined level, the thermostat signals the heater to turn on. The heater heats until the temperature rises to the desired level, and the thermostat signals the heater to turn off. Temperature fluctuations are inherent in this type of thermostat.
I favor a proportional thermostat. This type of thermostat constantly monitors the temperature and instructs the heater to emit only the amount of heat necessary to maintain the set temperature. Instead of operating at 100-percent capacity and then turning off completely, the heater is always on, but only at the level required to keep the temperature constant. After any heat loss is replaced and equilibrium is reestablished, the heat output remains the same. I like the thermostats manufactured by Helix. They are accurate, have remote sensors and a big, easy-to-read digital display.

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Because no heat source can emit heat evenly throughout the incubator, it is inevitable that some parts are warmer than others. The incubator will be warmer near the top and in locations closer to the heater. This problem can easily be solved, however, by using a small fan to circulate the air around in the incubator.
I like the fans used to cool desktop computers. They are small, quiet and fairly vibration free. It is not necessary for the fan to move much air. It doesn’t have to be windy inside by any means. The slightest movement of air will break up temperature stratification and provide a uniform temperature throughout the incubator. Even so, I still like to have several thermometers in various locations to monitor the temperature, so I can confirm this at a glance.


Maintaining Humidity
The final area of concern is humidity. The body of an incubating female is an effective barrier between the eggs and the outside environment. Inside the coils eggs are in contact with the substrate, the mother or each other. By sliding your hand between the coils of an incubating female you can feel the increased level of heat and humidity.
It’s your responsibility for duplicating this environment in an incubator. To do this I place the eggs in smaller containers inside the incubator. It’s easier to control the humidity in these containers than it is in the entire incubator. I use plastic containers manufactured by Rubbermaid, Sterilite or Iris. I place about 3 inches of damp vermiculite in each one, mixed equally with water by weight. Mixed in this way the vermiculite should be moist enough to clump together when squeezed, but not so much that it produces any water. Perlite mixed in similar proportions can be used successfully too for incubation.
I nestle the eggs about one-third of their diameter into the incubation substrate. Normally, it is not necessary to add water during incubation. If the eggs partially collapse in the first few weeks, water can be added. Most python eggs will not regain their full, round form again, but if water is added to the substrate, further egg collapse can be prevented.

Handling Eggs
Many, if not all, of the eggs may adhere to each other. I’m sure this is helpful to a big female retic that must look after 60 or 70 tennis-ball-sized eggs for nearly three months. It’s a bit inconvenient, however, when it comes to managing a 2-by-1-foot pile of eggs situated in an incubator.
Eggs may be slowly and carefully peeled apart into smaller groups for incubation, but it is not necessary to separate each egg from the group. Some may be adhered at four or five points to other eggs. Others may not have contact with the substrate. This is the case with naturally incubated eggs too.
Care should be taken to maintain the eggs in the same orientation in which they were deposited by the female, especially if more than a day or two have passed since they were laid. Place them gently into the smaller containers inside the incubator. Remember that each egg contains a living organism with its own oxygen requirement — so don’t pack too many eggs into one container.
I don’t ventilate the smaller egg containers. Their loose-fitting lids and my occasional peek inside provide enough air exchange for successful incubation. The oxygen requirement increases as the eggs near hatching time. I remove the lid to look at the eggs more frequently at this time, which allows the eggs more air.

Conclusion
Python egg incubation is simple and straightforward. Remember, though: Just as some individual animals are stronger and more vigorous than others, so are embryos within eggs. If an egg or two doesn’t hatch, it’s probably not your fault. If more than that fail to hatch or if hatchlings show abnormalities in form or pattern, it may be necessary to examine your incubation technique.


It really doesn’t matter whether someone is a professional or an avid hobbyist, successfully hatching eggs is one of the most satisfying aspects of what we do.
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Postby Bushbaby » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:14 pm

Not all survive in captivity.

Okay, go ahead, remove her carefully then.
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Postby Quintin » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:25 pm

Well theres your answer then.....!!!! good luck bud, and please take pics while hatching and post them! I love carpets


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Postby Serpy » Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:44 pm

You just answered your own question there..... Anyway, my feelings are its much of a muchness if u take her away or not.. Just my opinion, i would've taken the eggs away when they were laid and incubated them myself.. Just leave the female i'd say, the ones that were supposed to hatch will hatch.
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Postby Mat Van G » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:43 pm

One more question, the babies having been chilling in their eggs with thier heads popping out since 3 this morning... How long do they stay in their eggs for?

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Postby Bushbaby » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:47 pm

As long as it takes. You can leave them in te eggs, cause usually they need time to adjust to their new environment. Some may even have egg-yold still outside their bodies, and they use this time to absorb it. It's safer to just leave them, but don't startle them cause they can drown if they pull back into the eggs.
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Postby Mat Van G » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:50 pm

Thanks alot was very helpful... Will post pics soon.

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Postby Moreliahunter » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:29 pm

I thought you have done this before??? And you seem to know the answers so why do you bother asking??? You leave them in till they decide to come out. It could take longer than a week. They are just lying there absorbin g the rest of thier yolk. Make sure you keep it nice and warm as this speeds up the absorption and dries out the egg.
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Hatchling Junle's

Postby Mat Van G » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:01 pm

Topic merged

Here are some pics of my hatchlings. So cute!!!


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Postby Bushviper » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:21 pm

Moreliahunter I am with you on this one.
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Postby Leos r gr8 » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:44 pm

Congrats, they look great!
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Postby RaD » Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:02 am

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Postby Snakes4Africa » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:26 pm

Very nice!! How much?
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