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Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby Deano » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:44 pm

Hi all,

I just wanted to find out if Cape Nature would have a problem supplying a captivity permit if my ball pythons are kept in a rack system. I have bought a three level plastic rack from Plastics for Africa with draw dimensions of 31x45x17cm which I've fitted with heat pads and thermostat. Draws are of opaque plastic. I have two youngsters of about 300g in two draws.

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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby Reptiles Unlimited » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:07 pm

Hi Deano

Here is a link to a really good article regarding snakes in racking systems

http://www.insectivore.co.uk/articles-s ... using.html

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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby kfc223 » Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:16 pm

Generally Cape Nature doesn't have a problem with racks as long as the tub isn't too small.

Many of the keepers in the Western Cape make use of racks.
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby Deano » Sun Sep 21, 2014 8:24 pm

OK great. Thanks guys.
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby jka » Mon Sep 22, 2014 9:06 am

kfc223 wrote:Generally Cape Nature doesn't have a problem with racks as long as the tub isn't too small.

Many of the keepers in the Western Cape make use of racks.


But how can that be if the tub isn't according to the cage specification set out in guidelines.
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby kfc223 » Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:03 pm

Those are simply guidelines.

Certain keepers locally with very large collections keep most of their snakes in Racks.
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby jka » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:17 pm

Thats great news now i can house the snakes in smaller cages and increase my collection in my limited space
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby Shaun » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:05 am

Sorry no the rack system will be a problem as it does not comply with the minimum and maximum cage size category stipulations.
The success of the inspection will depend on the size seldom without exemption
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby Deano » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:34 am

Then how is it that breeders using rack systems in the Cape have captivity permits>
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby kfc223 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:39 pm

I used racks for quite a while and I had my Captivity permit issued.

Take David Justus as an example. All his ball pythons are in racks. Even Brendon Venter, all his Ball Pythons are in Racks.

There are countless guys that keep ball pythons that house their snakes in racks and have passed inspections.
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby Slangkop » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:21 pm

I think they are more worried about getting paid each time some poor fellow drives a snake from A to B than cage sizes.
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby Jamster » Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:22 pm

It depends on the snakes you are housing and their size. I use a racking system for my bhs, corns, cal kings and juvie boas. The draws are about 65L x 40W x 30H (cm). They provide adequate space for the snakes to move around, I can put descent sized hides in for the snakes and fit water bowls in them that they snakes can submerge themselves into. I think as long as the snakes have all of their requirements met with enough room to roam around it isn't an issue. I find that some of the more insecure and easily stressed snakes do better in racking systems as well. NatCon doesn't have an issue with racking systems as long as the tub sizes meet their requirements for the snakes they are housing.

I have seen plenty big boids being kept in plastic tubs where the snake takes up half the container when coiled up and they have a water bowl just big enough for their head to fit into. This is obviously unacceptable by any standards unless it is a temporary measure, e.g during egg laying or during treatment of illness or injury.

While we are on this topic, I find the notion of provided the reptile and cage sizes to NatCon somewhat silly. Personally I tend to move snakes between enclosures fairly often due to new additions, growth, feeding, lighting, etc. And I know that many other keepers do as well. Should we apply for a permit every single time we want to move a snake from one enclosure to another. What if the need to move the snake is urgent and we can't wait a week for the permit?

Horses are kept in tiny stables, dogs kept in tiny courtyards, birds kept in tiny cages, fish kept in tiny tanks and nobody bats an eye. But if a snake is kept in a slightly small cage everybody loses their minds. I believe that all pets should be kept in an area that is adequately sized and meets their requirements, simple as that.
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby Deano » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:00 pm

All sorted. CN are not against rack systems as long as the tubs fit the snake.
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby jka » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:33 am

Deano wrote:All sorted. CN are not against rack systems as long as the tubs fit the snake.


So how do we Know the tub fits the snake? Will they issue new guidelines for a rack system, cause the officials can't use their own discretion.
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Re: Rack system and Cape Nature Captivity Permit

Postby Jamster » Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:57 am

What I heard as a guideline was that the floor area of the enclosures diagonal length should at least be the length of the snakes body. Not that I agree with it though.
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