A.scutatus or A.intermedius ? PHOTOS!

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A.scutatus or A.intermedius ? PHOTOS!

Postby Superciliaris » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:03 pm

This Shieldnose is reported to be 100% intermedius by the owner , Now apparently this was captive bred from two normal looking intermedius ? I say bollocks ! The scale count on the subcaudals suggests scutatus and it sure does look like scutatus. Intermedius females have longer tails from 27 sc upwards , this has 23/24 which is right inline for scutatus if you reference all the SA field guides , so what's the verdict here ? I did not think Intermedius could look like this ! Can they ? Can anyone confirm what this really is ?

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Re: A.scutatus or A.intermedius ? PHOTOS!

Postby Mongoose » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:11 pm

That looks typical scutatus - and if the subcaudal counts match, then it's scutatus.
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Postby Mongoose » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:17 pm

On the note - I have seen red intermedius before.
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Postby Bushbaby » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:36 am

I keep both and this one defenitly looks like scutatus.
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Postby hunter1 » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:42 am

Defently looks like scutatus.
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Postby Superciliaris » Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:55 am

Mongoose , When u say red intermedius , would they have black heads ? Intermedius I have seen have much lighter mottled head coloration
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Postby Bushviper » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:09 am

Why would this not be scutatus? Pictures of the parents would be interesting. I am inclined to not believe the story either. DNA would be interesting to say the least. I have not even heard of intergrades between these two sub-species.
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Postby Mongoose » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:15 am

Yes, intermedius have a brown mottled head. But never go too much by colour as it can vary tremendously.
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Postby Superciliaris » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:58 am

If anyone has pictures of a red orange intermedius , please post.
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Postby Rob » Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:16 am

I can't see the confusion. Thats a scutatus and the guy who told you it came from his intermedius breeding is confused.

Ive not seen a red intermedius but even if they did occur they would not be as "typical scutatus orange" as this one. This is a typical scutatus to me.

Scale counts confirmed it too.
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Postby marc bt » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:35 pm

That looks similair to the scutatus i got from you (ofcourse its not though) so i would say scutatus too.
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Re: A.scutatus or A.intermedius ? PHOTOS!

Postby Cradle of life » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:03 pm

Having lived in the shield nosed country most of my life (orpen gate area) and having caught over 1000 odd of them i think i may be able to help you a bit with this one! The pics are definately of A. scutatus scutatus and NOT intermedius! I prefer the scutatus as they have lots more jet black in them and of course the head is also black. Intermedius on the other hand are usually dark to light brown and more speckled, however i have caught intermeduis with lots of black on them and even a few that have dark brown heads :idea: The scutatus also take mice more readily - if eithe rof them don't want to feed then a sand frog will get the mouth watering and i have yet to see a shield nosed ignore one for more than a few hours :D

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Re: A.scutatus or A.intermedius ? PHOTOS!

Postby Herpetologist » Sat May 15, 2010 9:48 am

Cradle of life wrote:Having lived in the shield nosed country most of my life (orpen gate area) and having caught over 1000 odd of them i think i may be able to help you a bit with this one! The pics are definately of A. scutatus scutatus and NOT intermedius! I prefer the scutatus as they have lots more jet black in them and of course the head is also black. Intermedius on the other hand are usually dark to light brown and more speckled, however i have caught intermeduis with lots of black on them and even a few that have dark brown heads :idea: The scutatus also take mice more readily - if eithe rof them don't want to feed then a sand frog will get the mouth watering and i have yet to see a shield nosed ignore one for more than a few hours :D

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Yip I agree with Cradle of life definately A. scutatus scutatus.
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