Caution when answering to adverts

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Caution when answering to adverts

Postby Bushviper » Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:14 pm

Recently we have had a number of complaints / queries about animals being offered here and in other media.

Firstly nobody imported baboon spider "legally from Kenya" and as a result is allowed to sell them. Kenya has not allowed exports for many years and the Dept of Agriculture never issued any permits and nor did Gauteng Nature Conservation. This is illegal, as the genus is specially protected under TOPS.

There are no "Black caiman" for sale in South Africa that were "bred locally". The pictures in question are Nile crocodiles. Same with the "Dwarf crocodiles and Dwarf Caiman" as well. It is all a scam. Same with Koala bears and lion pups or whatever this idiot is calling lion cubs these days.

When you get offered a single sex of a species that has never been seen in SA and they advertise it as a "legal import" but cannot supply a photo of the animal on a local newspaper then rather dont buy from them. If I am selling a reptile for many thousands of rands and nobody has heard of me then I will take the time to send you a recent dated photo of me holding the animal and the same animal on an Afrikaans or distinctly local newspaper.

Any snake that is said to be a "het for XXX" should be bought from the breeder and not a third party and if possible get documentary proof. The snake should have a photo id confirming its origin. Otherwise it is a normal and should have a normal price tag.

If the snake is a "proven breeder" then surely you will have a photo depicting the male mating or the female laying eggs/ having babies. There is a huge difference between a pair and a breeding pair.

If a snake is "heavily gravid" then why are you selling it? Transporting a snake near the end of its gravidity is never a good idea in any case.

Snakes with a time limit are also usually dodgy. You wonder what is going to happen to them if they are not "sold by Saturday".

Warning signs are often scientific names spelled incorrectly, giving it an extra quality like North American Corn snake, Red tailed pythons, Strawberry tailed boa, Salmon pink bearded dragon, Firebelly dragon, Pair of breeding coral snow boas, Red tail bowa and similar screw-ups should indicate that the person is probably an idiot. If you would not buy a used car from someone making these mistakes why should you buy an animal from someone who is clearly not an expert in this field. This also applies to "over 2 metre Gaboons", over 3 metre Columbian boas and such exaggerations. I also wonder when someone is selling a 3 metre python and a 1.2 metre cage for it.

Well trained snakes and those with all their "inoculations" should also make you head for the hills. There are no breeding farms in the Cameroons that will donate animals to you if you pay freight. This also applies to parrot eggs and high value animals like lemurs and Rhino iguanas.

If you buy from a private person and they offer to meet you in the parking lot of a local fast food restaurant then walk away. If they offer to "courier it to you" that means they dont care about the welfare of the animal. It is illegal to "courier" any reptile to any destination in SA. Posting is even worse as that breaks even more laws. Unless the company is registered as a specialised animal freight company then the transport will be illegal. Most shipping is done via air freight to your nearest airport and the animal will be labeled as "Live Animal" and have the correct crate and paperwork.

Call someone you trust and ask if they know the buyer if they live nearby. Most breeders will have interacted with the people near them. A breeder who also does not interact on forums, attend reptile meetings, come to expos or even just attend herpers braais is usually not someone I would trust with my hard earned money. Keeping their collection private can be taken a bit far as well. We all understand the threat of theft but surely someone in good standing must have seen this collection as some stage who can vouch for the seller.
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby kfc223 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:08 pm

Very well said Arno!

I have seen some sketchy looking ads on the forum and when I contacted them and asked for pictures on a local newspaper they freaked out getting very defensive.

Hopefully no one falls for a scam like this.
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby Spanner » Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:05 pm

One can also pick up on one seller just changing his/her username to stay on the forum thinking they wont be noticed that way. Recently had a guy on here ram us out of a venture opportunity as well trying to sell all sorts of animals with false promises and keeping us on ice for weeks. The wheel turns you know who you are.
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby Bushviper » Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:33 pm

Spanner give us the details so that we can monitor these fraudulent posters and block them from future deals.
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby Spanner » Sat Jan 05, 2013 6:39 pm

Problem is i dont know their alias now they dissapeared. Will contact you wth the details Arno
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby froot » Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:11 pm

At least let us have old usernames that are no longer used by these people so that we can keep our database clean.

BV can I suggest you post a copy of this in the forum announcements section and maybe post an ad as these scamsters would luring prospectives in and then explaining this to them in the ad itself?
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby nbdreyer » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:00 am

Nice one! All new buyers should read this before buying online. How about on the classified rules you post the link to this thread? Or make it a sticky add if at all possible?
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby Spanner » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:48 pm

kfc223 wrote:Very well said Arno!

I have seen some sketchy looking ads on the forum and when I contacted them and asked for pictures on a local newspaper they freaked out getting very defensive.

Hopefully no one falls for a scam like this.


Defensive yes i agree.
Just today dealt with a person trying to sell a pair of albino "snow" "coral" boas for the price of most second hand BMWs
When i asked for photographs the phone was put down in my ear. I phoned again and asked the reason for the sale, where the seller explained hes moving- cant he take them with i asked. He replied yes if he doesnt sell them.
I phoned back and after the 12th attempt the third person that answered promised to fwd the pics

My question is- why advertise something if youre going to be a total whad and then put the phone down in the prospective buyers ear???

Ps. Arno, let us know if you get the monster tail Boa bcc pics :smt017
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby Bushviper » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:52 pm

Yeah there are no Snow coral albino boas in the country. Dont bother wasting your time with this advert.
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby Bushviper » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:09 am

I have spoken to the seller and he was sold these snakes as "Snow Coral Albinos" by somebody who is no longer in the business. I believe that story as I was also offered these snakes as babies with this funny name tag. His phone died when he was chatting to clients yesterday and he then had to put it back on a charger which explains the delay. He has promised me photographs and I will see exactly what he has for sale and post the pictures.
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby Spanner » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:59 pm

I differ Arno ( from his version). I said to him that i doubt you get those as he advertised, he became offensive and swore. I insisted he send a picture. He then very clearly told me to look up "red tail boas", then phone him back or }{^#}off.
So then i phoned back and Lorry( whoever that now is) answered stating on 4 occassions that Jackson is not on that number.
Lastly, his wife ( the sellers) answered, and promised photos. We are still waiting.
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby MrG » Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:30 pm

Also be careful for the trade/swop part on some of the adds. Ask clear questions and make sure the other person understands the deal.(bothways) Rather try to speak to a person on the phone than sms'e, bbm's and whats-up. If there is one thing I have realised over the years then it it that there are not a lot of trusworthy people that is in this hobby.
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Re: Caution when answering to adverts

Postby Spanner » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:30 am

Especially mr and mrs Gumtree
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