Koggelmander ID Umhlanga

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Koggelmander ID Umhlanga

Postby tobiasf » Mon Mar 02, 2015 10:30 am

Hi All,

My wife and I was on the beach and I caught this Koggelmander on the beach side on a wall and released it afterwards. This little critter was very active. On its lower jaws scales it had lime green colour. What koggelmander is this?

Can you get permits for these guys or is it only possible for snakes?

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Re: Koggelmander ID Umhlanga

Postby Sico » Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:44 pm

I'd hazard a guess that it is Agama atra atra - Southern rock agama
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Re: Koggelmander ID Umhlanga

Postby Westley Price » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:39 am

I think it's a female Southern Tree Agama, Acanthocercus atricollis.

I guess you could theoretically get permits for them, but due to the reliance on sunlight, they would not be very easy to keep and you would have to do your research long before.
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Re: Koggelmander ID Umhlanga

Postby tobiasf » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:54 am

Thanks Wesley, it would be nice to see the Blue Headed Agama - Blou Kop Koggelmander in the Trade on permits off course
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Re: Koggelmander ID Umhlanga

Postby Ruan Stander » Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:10 am

Definitely Acanthocercus atricollis.

Westley, how does the theory work then ? You will never be issued permits for wild caught specimens, that's how I understand it. So how does any species get introduced to the hobby legally, such as the above ?
tobiasf, that is a 'blue headed agama'. Of all the local agama species, their colours certainly take first place, breeding males are absolutely gorgeous.
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Re: Koggelmander ID Umhlanga

Postby Westley Price » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:41 am

Predator, with the laws slowly changing, things will change soon, but KZN has always been a bit of a loophole.

Example: I stay in KZN and collect WC specimen in KZN (or other provinces) and the animals become part of my collection in KZN. Then a friend in, for instance, Gauteng says he wants my WC animals. I can then apply for a transport/export permit for the WC animal because they are legal in KZN.

Then my mate in Gauteng simply takes that transport/export permit to NAtCon in Gauteng and gets his permit. Easy as that.

This is how things have been done for years. This is also how WC animals are exported to other countries.
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Re: Koggelmander ID Umhlanga

Postby Ruan Stander » Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:08 pm

Yes that's what I figured, but then there is the issue of the keeping/captivity permit, which is not the same as an import/export permit ? How does one get around that ?
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Re: Koggelmander ID Umhlanga

Postby Westley Price » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:40 am

I have never kept indigenous in Gauteng so I am not 100% up to date with how the system works, but I think once you have the export permit from KZN it is fairly easy to apply for your captivity permit.
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Re: Koggelmander ID Umhlanga

Postby Bushviper » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:45 pm

That loophole is closing fast. The new act will make it illegal to keep any native species without a permit in KZN.
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