Some lizard pics.. black thraot, white throat and Angle Head

by **mfezi** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:28 am

Quote unquote "white" throat from Tanzania, these are different to the SA ones and also different to the TZ black throats.. see next photo

black throat

and a weird lizard from Malaysia... we have a gravid female, so we will see what the babies look like as well!!

cheers, mfezi

by **Bushviper** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:21 pm

I have caught numerous V. albigularis near Pretoria with black throats exactly like the one pictured above.

I have my doubts about all these "sub-species" specially if the characteristics which seperate them are so vague.

by **Desai** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 4:14 pm

Really great pics mfezi but what is the scientific name of that malaysian lizard? I have to read up about them. It looks amazing :shock:

by **mfezi** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:22 pm

Gonicephalus doriae

I was also suspicious of all the differences, till I got a "white" throat from tz. They are def different, attitude, body shape, colour etc.

I am sure they will start looking at these beasts dna soon and hopefully have some answers. I just need some sa white throats on permit..... Hint hint hint

by **froot** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:17 pm

I agree with BV, they look very similar. I'm almost certain they would easily hybridise.

"Gonicephalus" - that sounds like a nasty STD. Incredible lizards, more mouth than anything else!

by **mfezi** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:31 pm

By the same token, brown house snakes vs cape house snakes... They cross, but still are two species.

What is weird is that the same stuff is being studied over and over in the usa... Ad nauseum, while there are huge questions in african herps that are being adressed at a snails pace. We should offer usa grad students an opp to visit and write up some of these subjects.
Lee grismer has been in the south china sea islands for the past 5 or 6 years, and has described 30 odd new species!! When I offered him a trip to sa, he said he might come this year....

Cheers don

by **Dragon Breeder** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:21 pm

ahaaa gonocephalus species are the most stunniung things i have ever seen, they arnt easy to tame but i am up to the challenge, getting me some gonocephalus grandis they amazing!

Erik

by **Bushviper** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:26 pm

Here are some pics of my "grey throat". It is a white throat monitor but does not have a white throat either.

by **snake-5** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:48 pm

Dinosaurs aint extinct they just shrank a bit

Some lizard pics.. black thraot, white throat and Angle Head

Some lizard pics.. black thraot, white throat and Angle Head

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