house snake ID

house snake ID

Postby captaincaveman » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:08 pm

Any help on these young males, are they capensis or maculatus, bit confused by the thinner banding behind the eyes?

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Re: house snake ID

Postby Snakes4Africa » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:27 pm

Where are they from?
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Re: house snake ID

Postby jka » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:34 pm

Thats the thing they are sold as brown house snake.
He isn't sure what the origins are of these two.

Cant you do a scale count?

Maybe s'mee can inlighten us when he is online again.
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Re: house snake ID

Postby Groenslang » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:09 pm

I have no idea as to which they are, but what I am dead certain of is that they are stunning snakes! You must be very in your "noppies" with these two caveman?
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Re: house snake ID

Postby Fooble » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:31 pm

Northern Cape?
Nice looking ones.
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Re: house snake ID

Postby Durban Keeper » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:20 pm

I'd back fooble on that one. Buldging eyes & little pattern. Stunning snakes
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Re: house snake ID

Postby Fooble » Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:25 pm

Yepp DK i think so hey, but check the light patterns on the sides weird would be cool to know 100% where its from.
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Re: house snake ID

Postby alexander » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:09 am

Don't most juv. BHS's have light side patterns that fade with age.
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Re: house snake ID

Postby Fooble » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:37 am

alexander but those large eyes make me lean towards one of the "mentalis" but those side patterns aren't usually present in those snakes
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Re: house snake ID

Postby captaincaveman » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:11 am

cheers guys, yeah no background on these exept they are from a south african guy who owns a shop over here, i believe they are uk bred? hes offered me an adult female that one of his staff owns but dont think they are related to these guys so could be anything(im hoping for a fuliginosis lol)


so they could be northern capes? i was going to put them to these unrelated females eventually

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and heres a pic of my male albino cape and my lineatus female

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Re: house snake ID

Postby gaboon69 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:59 pm

It points to L. maculatus but "mentalis" can not be ruled out completely. The safest answer is always "One cant really say" with Lamprophis. So much to do still with the whole genus.
What is the animal's behaviour like?
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Re: house snake ID

Postby captaincaveman » Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:56 pm

gaboon69 wrote:It points to L. maculatus but "mentalis" can not be ruled out completely. The safest answer is always "One cant really say" with Lamprophis. So much to do still with the whole genus.
What is the animal's behaviour like?



both are really placid, the first will let me pick her straight up and totally calm, the second will try and bolt for it but then calms after a few seconds, no aggression, both very active

My lineatus is a total different personality to any other houses ive owned, it seems like the most intelligent and interactive of them all and seems to watch me going about my buisness whenever im in the room where as the others just dont even register :lol:

heres the other female capensis i forgot to add to the above pics

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Re: house snake ID

Postby gaboon69 » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:28 pm

Neither look like typical "mentalis" so statistics migt save the day. After thinking and gazing one do not see that typical lemon and almost neon yellow head markings mentalis is known for. The body colours are also not typical of mentalis. The eyes also lack that greenish to lemon yellow colour many mentalis have. That is'nt mentalis.
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Re: house snake ID

Postby captaincaveman » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:08 pm

im totally sure they wouldnt be mentalis, mentalis are pretty rare here and they dont have the same look as them in the flesh, im asuming mentalis would be similar to lineatus from the pics of mentalis ive seen(head shape and eyes), i thought these were maculatus but most people ive spoken too are divided between maculatus and capensis with most saying capensis

I initially thought that the head markings around and behind the eye were too thin for capensis but then i haven't seen the full range of capes to know any better lol, their eyes are more bulgy and more like lineatus in my eyes which got me wondering about capensis x lineatus which i believe exist in the uk but i havent seen pics of them to know either lol

i will eventually get myself some definite maculatus and fuliginosis one day, but all i seem to find are capensis and the one lineatus i have lol
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Re: house snake ID

Postby Fooble » Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:15 pm

Where are you from then?
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