House Snakes... lets see some morphs

by **Snake007** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:22 am

It looks like a 99% certainty that it is a lamprophis fuscus

There is so little scientific data available on the fuscus, thus the subcaudals counts could still be re-defined etc. As Froot said “it makes me wonder how many L. fuscus have been mistaken for L. rufulus “. Rumour also has it that Lycodonomorphus might fall away, only to be replaced by lamprophis (Lets wait and see). This, in a way, confirms Froot’s point.

The scale counts etc etc etc are going to be submitted to the HAA and CN. DNA samples will also be taken.

Thanks to all who made a positive contributions to this discussion.

by **Deon** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:27 am

So Daaa, it was not the Brown House snake, good stuff snake007. Keep us posted on any further events regarding this one. Good post.

by **Dragon Breeder** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:31 am

rufulus has vertical pupils, nocturnal this has round pupils indicating its duirnal, thus it isnt rufulus and the scale counts are both the sme in the house snake and the water snake

im sticking firmly with fuscus over here

by **Bushviper** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:40 am

I showed the pic to a guy who has collected many L. fuscus in other areas as to where I got mine. He says these are a normal colouration. It would seem as if there is no doubt about what species this is.

The ones I had were much darker and looked more like a light coloured L. inornata.

by **Dragon Breeder** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:05 pm

right lets make it simple we will have a vote

fuscus
inoratus
rufulus

i say fuscus

by **Bushviper** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:06 pm

The snake also wanted to vote but he could not raise his little hand.

by **Natal Black** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:31 pm

Everyone is making the mistake of assuming that this snake is indigenous!!!!

by **Dragon Breeder** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:26 pm

it was caught wild, so we are assuming its an indigenous not many foreign snakes have the look of this lil guy, unless you know of something we dont.....

by **Bushbaby** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:43 pm

Yes, it was caught in the Western Cape . . . (The Cape Peninsula to be exact)

That would mean that the chances are pretty good it's an indigenous species.

by **Dragon Breeder** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:57 pm

yea it means that indeed

by **Dragon Breeder** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:59 pm

the problem is the 2 species are found in the same locations so its very difficult to tell them apart except when you look at the pupils of the eyes!

by **Pythonodipsas** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:17 am

I'm enjoying this post. I also vote for fuscus.

I look forward to other expert opinion from HAA or CN.

by **shamroth** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:25 pm

we know its indigenous cos it a yellow belly

by **mfezi** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:40 am

here are some better pics of my pastel from Tanzania. Gonna try and see what pastel + albino + patternless + hypo makes... besides making your head hurt!!

by **Bushviper** » Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:12 pm

Mfezi that is the first L. capensis that I have seen without even a feint white line through the eyes. Makes me wonder about it.

House Snakes... lets see some morphs

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