White lipped viper species name

White lipped viper species name

Postby rloc » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:14 pm

Hi all

What is the difference between Cryptelytrops Albolabris and Trimeresurus Albolabris or they they the same thing?

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Re: White lipped viper species name

Postby michael » Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:39 am

Same thing
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Re: White lipped viper species name

Postby coral snake » Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:30 am

C.albolabris is the new name for T.albolabris.
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Re: White lipped viper species name

Postby Lachesis » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:14 pm

coral snake wrote:C.albolabris is the new name for T.albolabris.


No it's not.

It's T.albolabris.
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Re: White lipped viper species name

Postby uncutdiamonds » Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:17 pm

Lachesis wrote:
coral snake wrote:C.albolabris is the new name for T.albolabris.


No it's not.

It's T.albolabris.

It is according to some authors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimeresurus#Taxonomy

I just wonder what the justification for this "name change" is?!
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Re: White lipped viper species name

Postby Bushviper » Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:51 pm

Lachesis wrote:
coral snake wrote:C.albolabris is the new name for T.albolabris.


No it's not. It's T.albolabris.


Lachesis have a look in which section this is being posted. It clearly says "Whitelipped tree vipers (Cryptelytrops albolabris)". Please do not argue unless you have some method of backing up your allegations. Go do your research first.
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Re: White lipped viper species name

Postby Lachesis » Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:38 pm

Bushviper wrote:
Lachesis wrote:
coral snake wrote:C.albolabris is the new name for T.albolabris.


No it's not. It's T.albolabris.


Lachesis have a look in which section this is being posted. It clearly says "Whitelipped tree vipers (Cryptelytrops albolabris)". Please do not argue unless you have some method of backing up your allegations. Go do your research first.


http://www.venomland.net/t4987-taxonomi ... -pitvipers

It is no longer Crytelytrops albolabris, and it is accepted that it is now Trimeresurus once again. Maybe you should research allegations first.

If you want to use wikipedia as your information, it clearly says here it was returned to Trimeresurus in 2011, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trimeresurus_albolabris

I would've thought you would have read the paper by now.
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Re: White lipped viper species name

Postby Bushviper » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:53 pm

That paper was published and still has to be accepted. Currently it is the only reference and all papers of this type are just suggestions until they are quoted and used by other scientists. I cannot find any other papers published after May 2011 where the old names are used again.

It might be correct or it might not be accepted (just like Boa mandrita was proposed in place of Sanzinia madagascariensis) even though it has been published.
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Re: White lipped viper species name

Postby Lachesis » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:48 pm

It has been used in several papers since that paper has been published. It doesn't take long to find them.

TA-2, a thrombin-like enzyme from the Chinese white-lipped green pitviper (Trimeresurus albolabris): isolation, biochemical and biological characterization

And also it is noted here that it is also Trimeresurus.

http://biomed.papers.upol.cz/pdfs/bio/2012/02/15.pdf

I've spoken to someone who is up to date with these re classifications and i quote what he says "if you want to follow David et al, it's indeed Trimeresurus. If you want to follow the system by Malhotra & Thorpe (2004), which does split the giant genus Trimeresurus into several subgenera, it's Trimeresurus too - Cryptelytrops is no more valid. Actually it has never been valid, because the type species of the genus Trimeresurus is a member of the albolabris-group."
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