new long-tailed rattlesnake

new long-tailed rattlesnake

Postby TJ&ACP » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:13 pm

In a surge for an updated list of all Crotalus species that I have not yet found, I stumbled onto this article of a new long-tailed rattlesnake that was not listed on any of the lists I have seen. It is not even listed on the Clinical Toxinology Resources web-site
Here is a link to the article:
http://www.crotalus.com/Crotalus_ericsmithi.pdf
As a general rule, the more we learn about snakes and their ways, the less fear we have of them. This is usually not so with the Mamba.
The more one learns of his ways, the greater grows the dread of him.
He, without doubt, is the King of Snakes in South Africa.
For quickness, aggressiveness, and the deadly nature of his venom, he has no equal.
F. W. FITZSIMONS, 1912
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Re: new long-tailed rattlesnake

Postby TJ&ACP » Sun Apr 28, 2013 4:19 pm

This is the list that I was able to compile, please feel free to advise if there are species that I missed or what was re classified:

1 Crotalus adamanteus= Eastern diamondback rattlesnake

2 Crotalus aquilus= Queretaran dusky rattlesnake

3 Crotalus atrox= Western diamondback rattlesnake

4 Crotalus basiliscus= Mexican west coast rattlesnake

5 Crotalus catalinensis= Catalina Island rattlesnake

6 Crotalus cerastes
Crotalus cerastes cerastes= Mojave desert sidewinder
Crotalus cerastes cercobombus= Sonoran sidewinder
Crotalus cerastes laterorepens= Colorado desert sidewinder

7 Crotalus Cerberus= Arizona black rattlesnake

8 Crotalus durissus
Crotalus durissus cascavella= Northeastern Brazilian rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus collilineatus= Central Brazilian rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus cumanensis= Venezuelan rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus durissus= Cascabel rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus dryinas= Brazilian rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus marajoensis= Marajoan rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus maricelae= Maricela rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus ruruima= Mt. Roraima rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus terrificus= South American rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus trigonicus= Rupunini rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus unicolor= Aruba Island rattlesnake
Crotalus durissus vegrandis= Uracoan rattlesnake

9 Crotalus enyo
Crotalus enyo cerralvensis= Cerralvo Island rattlesnake
Crotalus enyo enyo= Lower California rattlesnake
Crotalus enyo furvus= Rosario rattlesnake

10 Crotalus ericsmithi= Guerrero longtailed rattlesnake

11 Crotalus exsul= Cedros island diamond rattlesnake


12 Crotalus horridus
Crotalus horridus atricaudatus= Canebrake Rattlesnake
Crotalus horridus horridus= Timber rattlesnake

13Crotalus intermedius
Crotalus intermedius gloydi= Oaxacan small-headed rattlesnake
Crotalus intermedius intermedius= Totalcan small-headed rattlesnake
Crotalus intermedius omiltemanus= Omilteman small-headed rattlesnake

14 Crotalus lannomi= Autlan rattlesnake

15 Crotalus lepidus
Crotalus lepidus klauberi= Banded rock rattlesnake
Crotalus lepidus Lepidus= Mottled rock rattlesnake
Crotalus lepidus maculosus= Durango rock rattlesnake
Crotalus lepidus morulus= Tamaulipan rock rattlesnake

16 Crotalus mitchellii
Crotalus mitchellii angelensis= Angel de la Guarda Island speckled rattlesnake
Crotalus mitchellii mitchellii= San Lucan speckled rattlesnake
Crotalus mitchellii muertensis= El Muerto Island speckled rattlesnake
Crotalus mitchellii Pyrrhus= Southwestern speckled rattlesnake
Crotalus mitchellii stephensi= Panamint rattlesnake

17 Crotalus molossus
Crotalus molossus estebanensis= San Esteban Island black-tailed rattlesnake
Crotalus molossus molossus= Northern black-tailed rattlesnake
Crotalus molossus nigrescens= Mexican black-tailed rattlesnake
Crotalus molossus oaxacus= Oaxacan black-tailed rattlesnake

18 Crotalus oreganus
Crotalus oreganus abyssus= Grand Canyon rattlesnake
Crotalus oreganus caliginis= Coronado Island rattlesnake
Crotalus oreganus concolor= Midget faded rattlesnake
Crotalus oreganus helleri= Southern Pacific rattlesnake
Crotalus oreganus lutosus= Great Basin rattlesnake
Crotalus oreganus oreganus= Northern Pacific rattlesnake

19 Crotalus polystictus= Mexican lancehead rattlesnake

20 Crotalus pricei
Crotalus pricei miquihuanus= Eastern twin spotted rattlesnake
Crotalus pricei pricei = Western twin spotted rattlesnake

21 Crotalus pusillus= Tancitaran dusky rattlesnake

22 Crotalus ravus
Crotalus ravus brunneus= Oaxacan pigmy rattlesnake
Crotalus ravus exigus= Guerreran pigmy rattlesnake
Crotalus ravus ravus= Central Plateau pigmy rattlesnake


23 Crotalus ruber
Crotalus ruber lorenzoensis= San Lorenzo Island diamond rattlesnake
Crotalus ruber lucansensis= San Lucan diamond rattlesnake
Crotalus ruber ruber= Red diamond rattlesnake

24 Crotalus scutulatus
Crotalus scutulatus salvini= Huamantlan rattlesnake
Crotalus scutulatus scutulatus= Mojave rattlesnake

25 Crotalus simus
Crotalus simus culminates= Northwestern neotropical rattlesnake
Crotalus simus simus= Middle American rattlesnake
Crotalus simus tzabcan= Yucatan neotropical rattlesnake

26 Crotalus stejnegeri= Long-tail rattlesnake

27 Crotalus tigris= Tiger rattlesnake

28 Crotalus tortugensis= Tortuga Island diamond rattlesnake

29 Crotalus totonacus= Totonacan rattlesnake

30 Crotalus tancitarensis=

31 Crotalus transversus= Cross-banded mountain rattlesnake

32 Crotalus triseriatus
Crotalus triseriatus armstrongi= Armstrong's Dusky rattlesnake
Crotalus triseratus triseriatus= Western dusky rattlesnake

33 Crotalus viridis
Crotalus viridis nuntius= Hopi rattlesnake
Crotalus viridis viridis= Prairie rattlesnake

34 Crotalus willardi
Crotalus willardi amabilis= Del Nido ridge-nosed rattlesnake
Crotalus willardi meridionalis= Southern ridge-nosed rattlesnake
Crotalus willardi obscurus= New Mexican ridge-nosed rattlesnake
Crotalus willardi silus= Western Chihuahuan ridge-nosed rattlesnake
Crotalus willardi willardi= Arizona ridge-nosed rattlesnake



1 Sistrurus catenatus
Sistrurus catenatus catenatus= Eastern massasauga
Sistrurus catenatus edwardsii= Desert massasauga
Sistrurus catenatus tergeminus= Western massasauga

2 Sistrurus miliarius
Sistrurus miliarius barbouri= Dusky pigmy rattlesnake
Sistrurus miliarius miliarius= Carolina pigmy rattlesnake
Sistrurus miliarius streckeri= Western pigmy rattlesnake
As a general rule, the more we learn about snakes and their ways, the less fear we have of them. This is usually not so with the Mamba.
The more one learns of his ways, the greater grows the dread of him.
He, without doubt, is the King of Snakes in South Africa.
For quickness, aggressiveness, and the deadly nature of his venom, he has no equal.
F. W. FITZSIMONS, 1912
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Re: new long-tailed rattlesnake

Postby wadekilian » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:06 pm

I had no idea some of these main species had so many sub-species. How old is this list? One obvious thing I picked up is that Crotalus durissus vegrandis is no longer a sub-species and has been elevated to full species status. Its now just Crotalus vegrandis.
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Re: new long-tailed rattlesnake

Postby LizardLover » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:21 pm

So much species.
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Re: new long-tailed rattlesnake

Postby TJ&ACP » Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:13 am

Hi Wade

This list I am trying to compile, I found +/- 4 lists and they are not one that is that same as the other. The Clinical Toxinology Resources web-sitehttp://www.toxinology.com/fusebox.cfm?fuseaction=main.snakes.search
still got it as C.d. vegrandis.

Crotalus durissus durissus and Crotalus durissus maricelae are not listed under C. durissus and I could not find there new classification.

I have found that Crotalus cerberus use to be Crotalus oreganus cerberus
and
Crotalus ravus use to be Sistrurus ravus
As a general rule, the more we learn about snakes and their ways, the less fear we have of them. This is usually not so with the Mamba.
The more one learns of his ways, the greater grows the dread of him.
He, without doubt, is the King of Snakes in South Africa.
For quickness, aggressiveness, and the deadly nature of his venom, he has no equal.
F. W. FITZSIMONS, 1912
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Re: new long-tailed rattlesnake

Postby croteseeker » Sun May 26, 2013 9:31 am

Sorry for the late comment. I've not been online in about a month. Your list looks pretty complete, but I think Wade's right about vegrandis.

Crotalus cerberus was indeed considered a subspecies of oreganus for a while. It was also considered a subspecies of viridis for a time, as well. Speaking of viridis, though, I don't believe that nuntius is still a valid subspecies. While the Hopi rattlesnake is much smaller than the Green Prairie rattlesnake, I think they've been lumped together. Personally, I think that oreganus and viridis are so similar that they should be combined into one complex, with the Hopi being a valid subspecies.

If the rumors I've heard are true, mitchelli may have a new subspecies soon, as well.
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Re: new long-tailed rattlesnake

Postby TJ&ACP » Sun May 26, 2013 10:28 am

Thanks Thomas I was hoping for a replay from you, as this far all lists that I could find do not have the resent changes and that make them out dated. It would be appreciated if you can update the list as soon as there is a change as you mentioned,
Regards TJ
As a general rule, the more we learn about snakes and their ways, the less fear we have of them. This is usually not so with the Mamba.
The more one learns of his ways, the greater grows the dread of him.
He, without doubt, is the King of Snakes in South Africa.
For quickness, aggressiveness, and the deadly nature of his venom, he has no equal.
F. W. FITZSIMONS, 1912
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Re: new long-tailed rattlesnake

Postby croteseeker » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:59 pm

Well, TJ, I was rereading this thread and I thought I'd do as you asked and keep you updated on one of the more recent changes in this list. Crotalus molossus molossus has been split into not only different subspecies, but different species, as well. The Eastern species is now known as C. Ornatus. This is an older division that has been reinstated in order to more clearly mark the lineage of these respective species. C. ornatus - those blacktails East of the Sierra Madre Occidental and the Southern Rockies - is, once again, thought to have descended from C. totonacus, whereas C. molossus is still heavily influenced by C. basiliscus (see C. m. nigrescens) and regularly hybridizes with it's Mexican cousin.

Speaking of hybrids, I had a discussion with someone on a different forum regarding natural hybrids in the crote world. I'll post some photos in a different thread and see if anyone can guess the species.
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Re: new long-tailed rattlesnake

Postby TJ&ACP » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:20 am

Thank you for the update; I did see that thread, which will be an interesting post.
As a general rule, the more we learn about snakes and their ways, the less fear we have of them. This is usually not so with the Mamba.
The more one learns of his ways, the greater grows the dread of him.
He, without doubt, is the King of Snakes in South Africa.
For quickness, aggressiveness, and the deadly nature of his venom, he has no equal.
F. W. FITZSIMONS, 1912
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Re: new long-tailed rattlesnake

Postby TJ&ACP » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:19 pm

I have found yet another site that was updated Jun13, there are now 37 species (Crotalus) and 2 (Sistrurus).

This site gives the legacy of names as well. For example:

Caudisona lucifer var. cerberus COUES 1875
Crotalus viridis cerberus — KLAUBER 1949
Crotalus viridis cerberus — JONES et al. 1981
Crotalus viridis cerberus — STEBBINS 1985: 231
Crotalus viridis cerberus — CROTHER 2000: 60
Crotalus oreganus cerberus — ASHTON et al. 2001
Crotalus viridis cerberus — POOK et al. 2002
Crotalus oreganus cerberus — CAMPBELL & LAMAR 2004
Crotalus cerberus — DOUGLAS et a. 2002
Crotalus cerberus — BEAMAN & HAYES 2008
Crotalus cerberus — HOSER 2009
Crotalus cerberus — WALLACH et al. 2014: 189

This is a database for all species
http://www.reptile-database.org/
As a general rule, the more we learn about snakes and their ways, the less fear we have of them. This is usually not so with the Mamba.
The more one learns of his ways, the greater grows the dread of him.
He, without doubt, is the King of Snakes in South Africa.
For quickness, aggressiveness, and the deadly nature of his venom, he has no equal.
F. W. FITZSIMONS, 1912
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