is posible bitis heraldica?¿?

[xerophak]

armata - I.

I dont mind walking behind everybody

sorry all, i think posible,.thanks for the explanation ww. I am going to try to fight by that book, , I to surrender by search !

[Bushviper]

I know Wulf Haacke has a report of some other unidentified adder in Northern Namibia on a mountain range there. They have been there a few times to go search but have come up empty handed. I think Hans Werner Hermann and Ulli Jogger also went looking for it. Possibly you can combine the two trips.

Pythonadipsas I laugh a leopard gets you cause they always take the person thats last in the line. Buy a donkey and ride that.

If anyone finds a Bitis heraldica and pickles it they better not come back here because they might get ambushed and shot for doing that. Getting kidnapped will be a holiday in comparison!

If you find any Dwarf pythons just remember Angola is not a CITES country.

[Pythonodipsas]

Ha ha - BV now you gave me an idea - we can just set up a breeding program for dwarf pythons in angola and export the offspring to all the non-cites countries.

Wulf showed me slides of the snake you are talking about. Did you also see the slides? It was from the Otjihipa Mountains I think. It was large like a puff-adder and it had large oval to round shapes reminding me of Vipera russellii.

[Hellemar]

Hi...


I see that Börje Flärdh has part of that copyright and Börje is from Sweden and I know that ha has been working with herps in Europe (and surroundings) so my bet would definatly be a Vipera sp and way not a Vipera renardi as mentioned or Vipera ursinii ssp...

I know that Börje was working (in the late -80´s ?) with other famous herpetologists as Göran Nilson and Claes Andren in Turkey and if I´m not wrong, they was studying vipers...


Henke

[armata]

My money is still on male Vipera renardi
distinctive labial markings, frontal entire, distinctive rostral, sigle apical as far as is visible.

[Pythonodipsas]

Ok thanks Henke.

If you find their publications available in PDF please let me know. Its always intereting to read new authors' revisions. The eastern block forms of Vipera seem the most confusing to me ie: nokolskii, dinniki, renardi, lotievi and others.

[Mongoose]

Armata, I remember Maruis said he is going "anting" ( searching for ants) with a friend/s etc.. He said that i may join depending on what my parents say seeing as i had to beg them to go on a another SARCA trip. When you do speak to him again, ask him is there still place for David from Kimberley.

[armata]

For those not heavily into taxonomy it is better to think of species complexes.
e.g. the ursinii group - V.ursinii, V.renardi, V.anatolica, .V.ebneri, V.eriwanensis, V.lotievi.
The very confusing Echis complex.
Up to 12 species described but think of as four species complex - i.e. E.coloratus, E.carinatus, E.pyramidum, E.ocellatus.
Whether or not the remainder are valid we can all argue about; but the base stands firm.
I could mention other complexes but you get the idea.
WW will smack me for this, but I think of splitting further as 'fine tuning'.

[nvlooi]

Sorry for bringing back such an old thread...

Has anybody have a decent picture of Bitis heraldica.


Thanks,
Henco