Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Oanatolitis » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:23 pm

Was wondering if anyone can identify the species. I've had her a little over 3,5 years and would like to seek a male for her (currently living in Greece). So far i've had 5 people all with different opinions.

She feeds on 60grm rats every 7 and then 10 days. Length is roughly 1,4m
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Westley Price » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:42 pm

Hmmm always a tough one.

To me that looks like fuliginosis. Capensis tends to have a much clearer and bolder lower eye line (not the top prominent one).

But I am simply guessing.
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Oanatolitis » Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:29 pm

Are both species found in south africa? Or are they from a different range?
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Westley Price » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:03 pm

Only capensis occur in RSA.
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Jamster » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:41 am

That looks like capensis to me, possibly Natal locality.
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby jka » Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:45 pm

I agree with Westley the eye stripe does look abit thin for capensis. But usually you see more uniform unpatterend fuliginosus in the pet trade, the size is another factor, I have never seen a 100% confirmed fuliginosus that size, but then again the head looks a bit "sharper" to me as well.

I'm going with capensis.
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Oanatolitis » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:56 pm

Thanks for the replies so far. But it's still not clear to me? Should i take more photos and of what part?

Really appreciate it
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby ragner » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:01 pm

That's not capensis. Where are you based?
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Jamster » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:19 pm

As he stated, he is living in Greece. Variation within capensis is huge. I have seen capensis with virtually no markings on the head besides the characteristic line above each eye.
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Jamster » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:05 pm

Here is a pic of a friend of mines capensis for comparrison.

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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby ragner » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:48 pm

Jamster, the lines towards the nose on capensis is closed. I respect your opinion despite not agreeing slightly. Enough said.
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Oanatolitis » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:59 pm

I'm still confused, so i took some more pics with better flash and lighting i guess?
Maybe it's clearer now. Again thanks for all the info guys


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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Jamster » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:19 pm

The lines towards the nose of this bhs are "closed". Oanatolitis, where did you get the snake? Perhaps the previous owner/seller/breeder has some info on its origin.
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Oanatolitis » Mon Jun 23, 2014 2:49 pm

Long story short, got it off an add. the guy was shivering when i took her out cause it apparently bit him, and was sold to me as male.
What are your thoughts Jamster? I really want to get a male to breed her this year.

Again thanks for the help so far
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Re: Fuliginosus or Capensis?

Postby Primogen » Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:02 pm

Would not a scale count solve the problem, I can't find any info on the net but maybe someone else can provide the scale counts for each.
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