White lip sexy time

White lip sexy time

Postby steve » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:11 pm

Hello!
Well it seems that breeding season is in full swing, I’m pleased as punch.

now in the past iv had allot of success with breeding white-lips. This year a few things have interested me, below there are two pictures, these pics where taken 1 day apart, in the 1st pic, this female only 17months old, born December last year! Locked up with a pretty small slender male, in the 2nd pic only a day later she locked up with another male, this guy being allot larger and more robust, my question is, which genes will the female use? the smaller male who got in with her 1st, or the 2nd male who obviously has stronger genes and allot more you know what :roll: …now after the 2nd male locked up I decided that I want my female breeding only with the larger of the 2 males, oviously, and subsequently they have mated every 3-4 days since, I noticed them locked up several times. Again my question is? Will she use the 1st males genes or the 2nd male who was 2nd to breed but has bred with her many more times?
Another question, this female is young, but very large, she was the strongest healthiest female out of a batch of 20 offspring, she ate pinkies from the get go, and has never refused a meal, do you think her age could complicate pregnancy?

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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby Pythonodipsas » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:20 pm

Awesome to see Steve!

I think natural selection would favour the stronger genes. But im no expert in Darwins field.
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby Bushviper » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:42 am

If I am not mistaken sperm competition has been recorded in certain reptiles. The sperm compete with each other to fertilize the eggs. The strongest will survive and it is not up to the female to decide. PS size does not matter!

The age of the snake should not count against her as in the wild even small females are often found gravid. If she has the size then that will be in her favour too. Hopefully her pinky eating genes will carry over to the next generation as well.
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby arcadies » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:16 pm

nice man, well done
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby armata » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:17 pm

Research has shown that although female snakes (Euro adders in this case) may mate with a number of males single paternity is dominant with around 20% resulting in multiple paternity.
I'm looking into this re puff adders, as multiple matings are common with this species.
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby steve » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:59 pm

hmm interesting stuff. thanks for the comments guys.
but i wish there was more info on this topic though.
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby Fooble » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:13 pm

Sorry slighty off the topic, but what are bites like from this particular species ?
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby MV » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:24 pm

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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby Fooble » Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:23 pm

Ekk i take that isn't something thats too much fun ^^
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby steve » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:04 pm

yeah bites from this species are no joke! its rather serious should one get tagged.
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby steve » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:51 am

well today has been a great day!!!! she dropped a stagering 25 healthy neonates, no still born, no defects, all happy and snapping away.
and hey this was her 1st clutch! impressive for such a young mom! im super proud of her;-]
pics will follow later today, must work now. cheers
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby Mitton » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:55 am

25??? WOW.
Well done Steve, can't wait for the pics.
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby Quintin » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:57 am

Congrats Steve..

Just love these little snakes, and can kick my own backside for selling my pair a few years back.

Looking forward to the pics!

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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby steve » Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:16 pm

Some info:
Started copulating on the 3rd of July, All the way until middle August, mating with two males, She dropped today, November 3rd. that’s 126 days from 1st lock up to giving birth. A little over four month’s gestation period.
It seems like an even ratio between males and females, but I’m not certain, I’ll leave them to rest for a day of two before I check that out.
I have counted 25 neonates, and 1 slug, that’s a pretty damn big brood of babies! Considering that mom isn’t even two years old yet. And now getting all the babies onto pinkies.yay!
Sorry about the bad quality of these pics, they are taken off my phone.
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Re: White lip sexy time

Postby Quintin » Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:15 pm

Good stuff steve, they are beautiful.

Good luck with getting them on pinks. When they are, i may very well be interested!

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