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New and Q [genetics calculator]

Postby sildargod » Mon May 31, 2010 2:55 pm

Hi Everyone,

I've been a long time lurker here, and have decided to come out into the open and immediately launch an attack of questions. :D

I'm new to the snakes games, I have owned 2 corns in the past and currently own a corn, columbian rainbow and a redtail boa.

More recently, I've started to get hooked on the whole snakes thing, being an avid tarantula collector for a while now (some of you may recognise me as sildargod from the tarantulas forum) and more especially breeding snakes.

I've found the corn calculator - http://www.corncalc.com/ - and I was wondering if there's a similar tool to calculate python colour forms? Is there a breakdown of colour phases and the genetics involved in them? I'm more interested in tree boas than ball pythons, as their tenacity is extremely appealing to me.

Oh, and Hello again! It's a pleasure to meet you!
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Re: New and Q

Postby Bushbaby » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:03 am

Welcome to the forum Kaleem,

I am not aware of any such calculator.
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Re: New and Q

Postby rolandslf » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:53 am

As far as I am aware, there isn't a Python and Boa Morph Calculator.
There are however members of the Forum who have been breeding Pythons and Boas for years. Expect some usefull info and tips from them soon.

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Re: New and Q

Postby sildargod » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:08 am

Thank you Bushbaby,

It does seem that isn't a calculator as arboreal Boas aren't as immediately visible to most hobbyists. I imagine their temperament is to blame for this, and it is a shame.

As I said before, I am very new to the snake game, but I'm fascinated with the process and the various morphs available. What actually got me interested was this webpage - http://www.classreptilia.com/boa_morphs.htm
Having seen many many corns and their vairous morphs, as well as the many Ball Python morphs, I wasn't surprised that morphs existed, but didn't expect there to be so many.

I've been tempted to try keeping the Amazon tree Boa (Corallus hortulanus) as a display animal, and came across a breeding pair (apparently. I can't sex snakes at all, so am having to go on faith) which display garden colour forms (again, my experience with these is quite limited, so I'm going on faith) but have distinct red colouration in their scales. They aren't particularly big, pushing about 75cm max, so their colouration may still change if I understand correctly?

The seller has told me that they will be able to produce both garden phase and red phase offspring, which sounds like quite a perk. Is he having a laugh? What would you reckon, fellow forum goers?

With that said, I am still quite keen to start up a breeding pair of C hortulanus, as vibrantly coloured as possible. What advice would you give me, and does anyone have male/female ATBs available for me to buy and attempt this project with?

I will of course document the entire experience, and with help and advice from the more knowledgable members here, I'm sure this will be an amazing experience. :D

Thanks again!
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Re: New and Q

Postby sildargod » Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:10 am

Thank you Rolandslf, that's exactly what I had hoped to hear! The internet is awash with all kinds of vague mutterings, but to get advice from experienced keepers and breeders is far more valuable in my mind.

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Re: New and Q

Postby Bushviper » Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:58 pm

I would be rather suspicious of "pairs" of garden tree boas. Last year about 60 males were imported and have been sold off as "unsexed" or pairs despite them not having females in that shipment.
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Re: New and Q

Postby rolandslf » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:27 pm

There are breeders on the forum who specialise in ATB's. I am sure that their input will be forthcoming.
As far as I am aware you can get a veritable smarty box of colours from a single pairing of Garden Phase ATB's.
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Re: New and Q

Postby sildargod » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:33 pm

You hit my suspicions bang on the head Bushviper. I have been burnt in the past with "female" tarantulas which later turned out to be males, and the neverending debate about sexing tarantulas is frustrating to say the least. I also got the feeling that the seller was pushing me to buy the pair I initially looked at and I suspect deeply that they are both male.

I'm doubly pleased to hear the smartybox colour variants you mention Rolandslf, this is exactly what I'm looking for.

I look forward to hearing the breeder's input, and even more to owning a pair of these marvellous serpents!
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Re: New and Q [genetics calculator]

Postby Wolf777 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:10 pm

Contact Byron(Snakes4Africa). He breeds ATB's.
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Re: New and Q [genetics calculator]

Postby Strictly_Snakes » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:29 pm

@sildargod, there is a program to tell you what you will get when you breed X with Y, for the python world (but mainly the ball pythons) if you are interested, PM me and I'll send you the link.

As for the ATB's, its a little harder to predict what you'll get, with the breeding as their colour variations do not work in the standard method of recessive or Co-dominant. It is just a random occurrence. Breeding a coloured Amazon with a coloured Amazon, wont always mean you will get a whole clutch of coloureds (you'll get a higher percentage of coloureds than if you breed coloured with Garden Phase).
To my knowledge, there have been 2 pattern variations that have been proven genetic, this is the Tiger (which is co-dom) and the leopard (which is recessive) with a possible third mutation being developed by Golf Cost Reptiles, this being a possible Co-dom Hypo ATB
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Re: New and Q [genetics calculator]

Postby JPWittstock » Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:49 pm

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Re: New and Q [genetics calculator]

Postby sildargod » Tue Jun 01, 2010 4:09 pm

Thanks Strictly_Snakes, I think I found the program, but in all honesty not knowing the lineage, there is no possible way I could begin to guess what genetics make the snake up.

I like the idea of a bit of random selection there! :D Now to get a pair..

Wolf777, thank you! I was actually about to give him a call, he supplied me with my absolutely magnificent E cenchria maurus at the SOS show, and I have high regard for his snakes and business ethic from that brief meeting.

Cheers and thanks again for the answers!

JP, I did actually come across that wizard, but it meant very little to me, but with a bit of further research, I found this - http://redtailboa.net/forums/how-tos-tu ... mmies.html - which is a definite start. Genetics for dummies, which is quite an accurate description of me at this point! :) Thank you again!
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Re: New and Q [genetics calculator]

Postby rolandslf » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:05 am

You are definitely not a Dummy, otherwise you would not have had the presence of mind to ask all these questions.

As for Byron, all I can say is "Par Execellence".
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