Colour morphs

Colour morphs

Postby ncgoodall » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:04 am

Hi Everyone,

My leopard gecko has had her first eggs! I am very excited but a little confused in some of my research. Does anyone know what age I can tell the colour morph of the babies? The parents are two different morphs and I'm quite excited to see what the mix is

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Re: Colour morphs

Postby Jamster » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:08 am

You should be able to tell what the hatchlings are, provided you know what morphs the parents are. It is a little more tricky than identifying snake morphs in hatchlings because there is usually a radical colour and pattern change in the geckos.
1.0-reticulated python (Ripcord)
1.1-burmese pythons
5.5-brown house snakes
1.0-taiwanese ratsnake
3.8-BCI
1.1-corn snakes
1.2-rhombic skaapstekers
1.0-yellow rat snake
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Re: Colour morphs

Postby Jamster » Fri Oct 17, 2014 11:10 am

That being said, your post is a little vague. What morphs are the parents? Post pics of them too so we can make sure the names of the morphs you were given are correct. We can help you from there on.
1.0-reticulated python (Ripcord)
1.1-burmese pythons
5.5-brown house snakes
1.0-taiwanese ratsnake
3.8-BCI
1.1-corn snakes
1.2-rhombic skaapstekers
1.0-yellow rat snake
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Re: Colour morphs

Postby ncgoodall » Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:48 pm

I'll have to try and find some nice photos of them to post, the female is patternless and the male looks normal but with rosettes rather than spots on his head. The people we got them from said he should be het for something else but they couldn't remember what
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Re: Colour morphs

Postby Jamster » Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:04 pm

So perhaps murphys patternless and halloween mask? Just take a couple pics with your phone and upload them.
1.0-reticulated python (Ripcord)
1.1-burmese pythons
5.5-brown house snakes
1.0-taiwanese ratsnake
3.8-BCI
1.1-corn snakes
1.2-rhombic skaapstekers
1.0-yellow rat snake
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Re: Colour morphs

Postby ncgoodall » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:42 am

This is my two geckos
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Re: Colour morphs

Postby Ruan Stander » Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:02 pm

Good looking geckos you have there.
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Re: Colour morphs

Postby Jamster » Sun Oct 19, 2014 12:30 pm

Looks like murphys patternless and halloween mask to me, not 100% about the halloween mask though. Look online, there should be a leo morph calculator on a couple of the websites. You just plug in the adult morphs and it tells you what hatchlings you will get out.
1.0-reticulated python (Ripcord)
1.1-burmese pythons
5.5-brown house snakes
1.0-taiwanese ratsnake
3.8-BCI
1.1-corn snakes
1.2-rhombic skaapstekers
1.0-yellow rat snake
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Re: Colour morphs

Postby Docmorrie » Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:27 am

Definitly a Murphy Patternless and a low-grade Halloween Mask. Is is very difficult to predict the outcome of the offspring without propper background genetics. The parents' genetics, especially the linebred traits, of the Murphy's Patternless will be significant because patternless and blizzard tend to mask all background linebred traits which will be passed on to the offspring. Regarding the halloween mask, which is a linebred trait as well, the trait is already a bit diluted in your specimen. Hence the term I used, low-grade.

If you have a "clean" pair without any "hets", you would expect to get 100% normal-looking (low-to-no-grade halloween masks) and all of them would be 100% heterozygous for the recessive Murphy's Patternless mutation. Should you hatch some baby Murphy's Patternless, then you would have demonstrated that your halloween mask is het-patternless.

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